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		<title>Comment on Migrating email from Outlook to Evolution: Linux&#8217;s final frontier by Allan Tygert</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2008/09/10/migrating-email-from-outlook-to-evolution-linuxs-final-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Tygert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using Ubuntu for less than a week.  I had avoided making the move because of an inability to get my Outlook email in.  I had two fairly large PST files that I wanted to get into Evolution.  I was using Outlook 2007 on XP SP3.

I followed the process included here to get the PST file information into TBird.  This was where I got stuck.  I could not get Evolution to easily import the TBird email using the Import functionality.  On a hunch, I tried moving the TBird email through the file system.  Assuming my PST folders were named Foo and Bar, I went to the folder /home//.mozilla-thunderbird/7yz8272m.default/Mail/Local Folders/Outlook Mail.sbd.  Inside here were two folders:
-Foo.sbd and
-Bar.sbd.

Additionally, there was a plain text file for each of these folders:
-Foo and
-Bar 

and a . msf file for each folder:
-Foo.msf and
-Bar.msf.

I copied these to: /home//.evolution/mail/local (two folders and four files).  

The next time I opened Evolution, th folders Foo and Bar were in the list, under &quot;On This Computer,&quot; just below Inbox.  The only down side I&#039;ve found thus far is that all the mail is marked as unread.

Now, anyone have suggestions for getting contacts out of TBird and into Evolution?

Thanks to all who wrote and commented on this topic.  The information was invaluable in getting my email off the death star that is Windoze.

Allan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using Ubuntu for less than a week.  I had avoided making the move because of an inability to get my Outlook email in.  I had two fairly large PST files that I wanted to get into Evolution.  I was using Outlook 2007 on XP SP3.</p>
<p>I followed the process included here to get the PST file information into TBird.  This was where I got stuck.  I could not get Evolution to easily import the TBird email using the Import functionality.  On a hunch, I tried moving the TBird email through the file system.  Assuming my PST folders were named Foo and Bar, I went to the folder /home//.mozilla-thunderbird/7yz8272m.default/Mail/Local Folders/Outlook Mail.sbd.  Inside here were two folders:<br />
-Foo.sbd and<br />
-Bar.sbd.</p>
<p>Additionally, there was a plain text file for each of these folders:<br />
-Foo and<br />
-Bar </p>
<p>and a . msf file for each folder:<br />
-Foo.msf and<br />
-Bar.msf.</p>
<p>I copied these to: /home//.evolution/mail/local (two folders and four files).  </p>
<p>The next time I opened Evolution, th folders Foo and Bar were in the list, under &#8220;On This Computer,&#8221; just below Inbox.  The only down side I&#8217;ve found thus far is that all the mail is marked as unread.</p>
<p>Now, anyone have suggestions for getting contacts out of TBird and into Evolution?</p>
<p>Thanks to all who wrote and commented on this topic.  The information was invaluable in getting my email off the death star that is Windoze.</p>
<p>Allan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia FS, plus quick steps for setting up by flullost</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2007/05/22/wikipedia-fs-plus-quick-steps-for-setting-up/comment-page-1/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>flullost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nowodays you have to add the file-ending .mw to the (extremely well-)hidden files.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rough cartogram of Wikipedia edits by country by Nickj</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2007/08/30/rough-cartogram-of-wikipedia-edits-by-country/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frakturfreund, Have replied to query on my wiki page + emailed the requested excel file. Cheers, Nick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frakturfreund, Have replied to query on my wiki page + emailed the requested excel file. Cheers, Nick.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rough cartogram of Wikipedia edits by country by Frakturfreund</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2007/08/30/rough-cartogram-of-wikipedia-edits-by-country/comment-page-1/#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator>Frakturfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nickj.org/User_talk:Nickj#Your_Wikipedia_Cartogram:_Creative_Commons_and_Sources.3F&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Your Wikipedia Cartogram: Creative Commons and Sources? &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also here: <a href="http://nickj.org/User_talk:Nickj#Your_Wikipedia_Cartogram:_Creative_Commons_and_Sources.3F" rel="nofollow"> Your Wikipedia Cartogram: Creative Commons and Sources? </a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Migrating email from Outlook to Evolution: Linux&#8217;s final frontier by Antonio</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2008/09/10/migrating-email-from-outlook-to-evolution-linuxs-final-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worse than I though. All non-standard characters are dropped from email as well.
Back to the drawing board, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worse than I though. All non-standard characters are dropped from email as well.<br />
Back to the drawing board, I guess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Migrating email from Outlook to Evolution: Linux&#8217;s final frontier by Antonio</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2008/09/10/migrating-email-from-outlook-to-evolution-linuxs-final-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed your method. It is an excellent method and it solved most of my problems. Thank you very much! I had about the same problem as you (10+ years of email, complex nested structure on email, contacts, etc.) and this was the one thing that kept me tied to Outlook. Thank you again, so much.

Only limitation worth noting with the software used for migrating, however, is that using non-ASCII standard text such as accented letters or otherwise in your Outlook will cause some unexpected behaviour when importing Contacts, Tasks and Calendar into Evolution (I have appointments, tasks and contacts which have English, French, Spanish, Chinese and Russian).

Contacts are troublesome, but you only have to replace all the affected text.

Calendar completely crashed Evolution and I had to delete the actual calendar files from ~/.evolution/calendar/local/system

Tasks were the strangest, though. Besides text not displaying correctly (I got this on all three, but it&#039;s the same issue, I guess), Evolution would crash. But only when the cursor passed over the &quot;strange&quot; tasks. I assume this triggers the event that causes the crash.

Since I had a limited amount of tasks with these problems, I was able to delete them and just type them back in, but this is not really the case for my contacts and calendar. I have plenty of addresses in Cyrillic or Mandarin I&#039;d like to keep and are not too keen on retyping.

If you&#039;re interested, will let you know if I figure out another way around this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed your method. It is an excellent method and it solved most of my problems. Thank you very much! I had about the same problem as you (10+ years of email, complex nested structure on email, contacts, etc.) and this was the one thing that kept me tied to Outlook. Thank you again, so much.</p>
<p>Only limitation worth noting with the software used for migrating, however, is that using non-ASCII standard text such as accented letters or otherwise in your Outlook will cause some unexpected behaviour when importing Contacts, Tasks and Calendar into Evolution (I have appointments, tasks and contacts which have English, French, Spanish, Chinese and Russian).</p>
<p>Contacts are troublesome, but you only have to replace all the affected text.</p>
<p>Calendar completely crashed Evolution and I had to delete the actual calendar files from ~/.evolution/calendar/local/system</p>
<p>Tasks were the strangest, though. Besides text not displaying correctly (I got this on all three, but it&#8217;s the same issue, I guess), Evolution would crash. But only when the cursor passed over the &#8220;strange&#8221; tasks. I assume this triggers the event that causes the crash.</p>
<p>Since I had a limited amount of tasks with these problems, I was able to delete them and just type them back in, but this is not really the case for my contacts and calendar. I have plenty of addresses in Cyrillic or Mandarin I&#8217;d like to keep and are not too keen on retyping.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, will let you know if I figure out another way around this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Migrating email from Outlook to Evolution: Linux&#8217;s final frontier by Nickj</title>
		<link>http://blog.nickj.org/2008/09/10/migrating-email-from-outlook-to-evolution-linuxs-final-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 03:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dirk: Yes, I stuck with it, and I&#039;m still using it for all my email, calendar, notes, tasks, and contacts. Evolution is definitely not perfect though (e.g. coming from Outlook, which has certainly had more developers, more time, more testers and more money spent on it, in Evolution you are more likely to encounter bugs in your everyday use and find that it&#039;s less polished), but I have been logging bugs for any features I&#039;d like to see or bugs that I encounter (up to around 60 at last count, of which 18 have already been fixed by the Evolution developers or were duplicates). But, having said that it ties to be a complete PIM, which seeing as you&#039;re using tasks and contacts from Outlook you probably want (otherwise if you just wanted email + calendaring then Thunderbird may be a good option), and the developers are responsive (although quite busy) and contactable which is something you&#039;d never get from Outlook. It&#039;s also nice to get an upgrade every six months, with decent packaging, and to be free of the licensing hassle that you describe (which sounds terrible by the way, great way to annoy people that have paid twice for software by making them reinstall everything). Also, something that may be of interest to you: There&#039;s a new PST importer plugin in Evolution 2.26 (which will be in Ubuntu 9.04) which _should_ allow importing your PST data and save you the migration grief I encountered (I haven&#039;t tested the PST importer though, but if I do I may do a write-up of it, if I get the time). Anyway, I sincerely hope you get the software situation happily sorted out!

-- All the best,
Nick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dirk: Yes, I stuck with it, and I&#8217;m still using it for all my email, calendar, notes, tasks, and contacts. Evolution is definitely not perfect though (e.g. coming from Outlook, which has certainly had more developers, more time, more testers and more money spent on it, in Evolution you are more likely to encounter bugs in your everyday use and find that it&#8217;s less polished), but I have been logging bugs for any features I&#8217;d like to see or bugs that I encounter (up to around 60 at last count, of which 18 have already been fixed by the Evolution developers or were duplicates). But, having said that it ties to be a complete PIM, which seeing as you&#8217;re using tasks and contacts from Outlook you probably want (otherwise if you just wanted email + calendaring then Thunderbird may be a good option), and the developers are responsive (although quite busy) and contactable which is something you&#8217;d never get from Outlook. It&#8217;s also nice to get an upgrade every six months, with decent packaging, and to be free of the licensing hassle that you describe (which sounds terrible by the way, great way to annoy people that have paid twice for software by making them reinstall everything). Also, something that may be of interest to you: There&#8217;s a new PST importer plugin in Evolution 2.26 (which will be in Ubuntu 9.04) which _should_ allow importing your PST data and save you the migration grief I encountered (I haven&#8217;t tested the PST importer though, but if I do I may do a write-up of it, if I get the time). Anyway, I sincerely hope you get the software situation happily sorted out!</p>
<p>&#8211; All the best,<br />
Nick.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Migrating email from Outlook to Evolution: Linux&#8217;s final frontier by Dirk Frigne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk Frigne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick,

Very usefull article!

In short: my question
After you have used evolution now for some months, did you change to another mail client, or even change back to windows outlook? Or did you stick with evolution?

some background information and a story about microsoft licenses:

I also consider to migrate from windows to ubuntu.
I&#039;ll already use ubuntu for creating meeting minutes on an acer onenote.
I&#039;&#039;l synchronise these files with a tool &#039;beyond compare&#039; (shareware 30$ - but very fast, stable and usefull).

The reason I still used Windows was Outlook, having also a mailing archive since 1998 organised in a pst file per year, and a hierarchy of mail folders, tasks and calender events (I don&#039;t use notes)

The main reason I decided to migrate now also my outlook to the ubuntu environment is the fact that microsoft has found a new way to irritate users. Since a couple of weeks, the automatic update mechanism (wich works great, although you don&#039;t know what it is doing with your system) has installed a feature to check for illegal software.
I have no problem checkking my computer because everything I install is legal (I tought)...
After checking, the system now always prompts me with a message that all my licenses of microsoft software are illegal.

What happened? Last year I bought a new computer, with an OEM version of VISTA installed on it. After reading the legal stuff before installing the license, I had a choice between : don&#039;t install the OEM licence and ask for a refund in the store where I bought te computer (a lot of work and time for only a couple of $$), or install the software and use the prepaid license. I decided to use the prepaid licence.
I have a subscription to all the microsoft software  as a MSDN developer.
Now it seems that the combination between the OEM Vista version and the licences from my MSDN package is illegal, so I can coose to reinstall the vista version from my developper kit (and then reinstall al the other software again), by all the licenses I use again (double cost) or make a move to ubuntu (including the mail client).
So I am a little bit angry to Microsoft, because I paid twice for the OS to conclude that by doing that I have illegal software on my comuter... and a lot of extra work or cost.

I like the OS environment of ubuntu and the possibilities of installing new software packages.

So I want you to ask, after you have used evolution now for some months, if you still stick with it or did you change to another mail client, or even change back to windows outlook? I&#039;ll appriciate your feedback as I want to use it as an argument to my decision I&#039;ll have to take right now.  

Sincerly,
Dirk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>Very usefull article!</p>
<p>In short: my question<br />
After you have used evolution now for some months, did you change to another mail client, or even change back to windows outlook? Or did you stick with evolution?</p>
<p>some background information and a story about microsoft licenses:</p>
<p>I also consider to migrate from windows to ubuntu.<br />
I&#8217;ll already use ubuntu for creating meeting minutes on an acer onenote.<br />
I&#8221;l synchronise these files with a tool &#8216;beyond compare&#8217; (shareware 30$ &#8211; but very fast, stable and usefull).</p>
<p>The reason I still used Windows was Outlook, having also a mailing archive since 1998 organised in a pst file per year, and a hierarchy of mail folders, tasks and calender events (I don&#8217;t use notes)</p>
<p>The main reason I decided to migrate now also my outlook to the ubuntu environment is the fact that microsoft has found a new way to irritate users. Since a couple of weeks, the automatic update mechanism (wich works great, although you don&#8217;t know what it is doing with your system) has installed a feature to check for illegal software.<br />
I have no problem checkking my computer because everything I install is legal (I tought)&#8230;<br />
After checking, the system now always prompts me with a message that all my licenses of microsoft software are illegal.</p>
<p>What happened? Last year I bought a new computer, with an OEM version of VISTA installed on it. After reading the legal stuff before installing the license, I had a choice between : don&#8217;t install the OEM licence and ask for a refund in the store where I bought te computer (a lot of work and time for only a couple of $$), or install the software and use the prepaid license. I decided to use the prepaid licence.<br />
I have a subscription to all the microsoft software  as a MSDN developer.<br />
Now it seems that the combination between the OEM Vista version and the licences from my MSDN package is illegal, so I can coose to reinstall the vista version from my developper kit (and then reinstall al the other software again), by all the licenses I use again (double cost) or make a move to ubuntu (including the mail client).<br />
So I am a little bit angry to Microsoft, because I paid twice for the OS to conclude that by doing that I have illegal software on my comuter&#8230; and a lot of extra work or cost.</p>
<p>I like the OS environment of ubuntu and the possibilities of installing new software packages.</p>
<p>So I want you to ask, after you have used evolution now for some months, if you still stick with it or did you change to another mail client, or even change back to windows outlook? I&#8217;ll appriciate your feedback as I want to use it as an argument to my decision I&#8217;ll have to take right now.  </p>
<p>Sincerly,<br />
Dirk</p>
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		<title>Comment on Migrating email from Outlook to Evolution: Linux&#8217;s final frontier by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

very interesting article.  Since about 2 months I forced myself into a similar action.  Mainly to get rid of the painful experience with Vista, but also to see if I could survive in a business environment (mainly MS-focused) using Ubuntu.  In my case I used the 8.10 which improved over 8.04 on network config (especially for wlan and umts) and config for multiple monitors. 

Apart from some small annoyances (like no support for Windows DFS) I must say I&#039;ll stick with Ubuntu as it is a pleasant, stable and very fast OS to work with.  

I agree with your article for me the only reason to go back to Windows is because of Visio and mainly Outlook.  I often review visio files and haven&#039;t found a way to deal with them in Ubuntu.  But the main annoyance in Linux is Evolution.  I&#039;m using it in combination with our exchange 2003 farm and like you I have loads of emails to manage and to archive.  Last time I looked my mailbox was about 4 Gb in space, which never caused any problem with Outlook, but it does with Evolution.  

A few times a day I have to force-shutdown Evolution because it stop responding or it looses connection with the backend of exchange.  I heard that Apple is planning to use true MAPI connection in the mailclient of their next OS x release.  I truly hope that someone develops a plugin or addon that does the same thing for Evolution as I believe this is where the problem is... To my knowledge Evolution uses the dll&#039;s that are used in the OWA environment of exchange.  I&#039;m 100% sure that people are willing to pay for a decent mailclient that can be used in combination with Exchange.  I know I am...

best regards,
Tim

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bene.be&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bene - Webdesign&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>very interesting article.  Since about 2 months I forced myself into a similar action.  Mainly to get rid of the painful experience with Vista, but also to see if I could survive in a business environment (mainly MS-focused) using Ubuntu.  In my case I used the 8.10 which improved over 8.04 on network config (especially for wlan and umts) and config for multiple monitors. </p>
<p>Apart from some small annoyances (like no support for Windows DFS) I must say I&#8217;ll stick with Ubuntu as it is a pleasant, stable and very fast OS to work with.  </p>
<p>I agree with your article for me the only reason to go back to Windows is because of Visio and mainly Outlook.  I often review visio files and haven&#8217;t found a way to deal with them in Ubuntu.  But the main annoyance in Linux is Evolution.  I&#8217;m using it in combination with our exchange 2003 farm and like you I have loads of emails to manage and to archive.  Last time I looked my mailbox was about 4 Gb in space, which never caused any problem with Outlook, but it does with Evolution.  </p>
<p>A few times a day I have to force-shutdown Evolution because it stop responding or it looses connection with the backend of exchange.  I heard that Apple is planning to use true MAPI connection in the mailclient of their next OS x release.  I truly hope that someone develops a plugin or addon that does the same thing for Evolution as I believe this is where the problem is&#8230; To my knowledge Evolution uses the dll&#8217;s that are used in the OWA environment of exchange.  I&#8217;m 100% sure that people are willing to pay for a decent mailclient that can be used in combination with Exchange.  I know I am&#8230;</p>
<p>best regards,<br />
Tim</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bene.be" rel="nofollow">Bene &#8211; Webdesign</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Venture Capitalists have a valuation for the Wikipedia by Waldir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waldir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Padraic: Erik Zachte did just that (and more) here: http://infodisiac.com/blog/2008/10/quantifying-volunteer-contribution/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Padraic: Erik Zachte did just that (and more) here: <a href="http://infodisiac.com/blog/2008/10/quantifying-volunteer-contribution/" rel="nofollow">http://infodisiac.com/blog/2008/10/quantifying-volunteer-contribution/</a></p>
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